Health Care Reform

I’m trying to decide if I’ve ever felt so strongly about a political topic before. I don’t think so.

As opposed as I was to the stimulus, this tops that. As opposed as I was to TARP, this tops that. As in favor as I was of the city-wide chicken ordinance (yeah, that hardly seems to compare does it?), this tops that. As in favor or opposed to just about everything else, this tops that.

I don’t want this bill. I don’t want to be a part of it. I want to opt out and take the consequences. I want to responsible for myself in every way. I don’t want the government driving yet another industry, especially since their track record so far is abysmal at best. No, no, and no.

The bill will likely be voted on this Sunday. I promise you now, pass or fail, come this November I will NOT vote for a single person who does vote for this bill. No not one.


Oh, and go BYU! ๐Ÿ™‚

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9 Responses to Health Care Reform

  1. DWH says:

    So, deep down Dave, how do you REALLY feel about this bill? Don’t flower it up and skirt the issue! DWH ๐Ÿ˜‰

  2. nosurfgirl says:

    BTW, I feel the same way, though I think for different reasons. I feel like this bill is a nothing-bill, it will do absolutely nothing and cost a whole lot of money. I’m opposed to both. ๐Ÿ™‚

  3. Bob says:

    I think this bill is not the greatest, but I’m hoping it passes still for several reasons, including:

    1. It will prevent insurance companies from denying people for having pre-existing conditions, like diabetes.
    2. Utah pays a lot more for much less health insurance as opposed to other states,, and I think this bill will help to improve that.
    3. It will save lives,
    4. This bill was modeled after Romney’s Massachussets health insurance plan, and I’ve always liked that plan.

    I know there’s a lot of bad things about the bill, but in my view, the pros outweigh the cons. Just my opinion. ๐Ÿ™‚

  4. daveloveless says:

    Would that be the same Mass plan that is having budget overruns? Yep, that’s what I thought.

    Sorry, there is nothing in this bill that will bring any sort of good simply for the debt it will bring on this nation.

    Government run = failure. If anyone can point out a single major government run program that has not failed either through budget overruns, mismanagement, or otherwise, I’ll be very impressed.

    As for the other points, there is no reason those conditions cannot be taken care of individually with bipartisan support, but the farce of these closed door sessions and ramming it down our throats? Sorry, no thanks.

    We seem to forget that insurance companies and indeed the medical industry is a BUSINESS meaning that pre-existing conditions that cost them more money to care for than they can make are stupid for them. I’m not saying it’s right, but I am saying that forcing a company to take on clients that cannot pay more than they cost CANNOT drive down the cost of insurance. It can’t. The math doesn’t add up (fuzzy or otherwise).

    Sigh…. I’m sorry, Rob. You know I love you man, but when I saw your comment, the very first thing that I thought was, “Friends don’t let friends support this health care bill.”

    This thing is bad top to bottom.

  5. nosurfgirl says:

    Well… there’s a lot I could say. That I’ve already said… I think the differentiation is, those who believe there should be a bill passed that insures health care for all Americans regardless of income and current level of health, believe health to be a right related to the right to “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” I actually don’t think insurance companies should run like a business. Ever. That makes the people who apply for their plans into commodities (or not). That relegates people to the level of objects, and their health needs suddenly become a piece of date to feed into bunch of cold statistical analyses. I feel like our health care system needs a HUGE overhaul, not the wishy-washy one proposed by our current legislative branch, and that we need to find a way to do it within our budget. I think that if we got some creative people in there, who are willing to start with a complete blank slate and toss around radical ideas, we would find a way. Because nearly every other country spends less than half of what we do on health care and they seem to get by just fine, covering a much larger percentage of their population. England and Canada (I’m sorry… I know… socialist…) are good examples of this. Personally I’m willing to put up with bad teeth if it means an extra thirty million people can get their appendixes removed/get their athsma and diabetes treated/get their broken or sprained bones set/get their heart surgeries/have their babies in a hospital preceeded by full prenatal care.

    ๐Ÿ™‚ Fire away, Dave…

  6. nosurfgirl says:

    sorry. “piece of data”…

  7. daveloveless says:

    See but I’m not opposed to those things either. I really do want health care reform. I’m not even opposed to universal health care either. What I’m opposed to is THIS universal health care. What I’m opposed to is a government run system that, based on historical evidence of past government run initiatives, will fail. I’m opposed to the partisan, closed door sessions that led to a bill that completely ignored half this nation. I’m opposed to the ramming this thing down my throat. I’m opposed to the idiots in DC who think they know what’s best for me and my family (and that is on both sides of the aisle).

    I’m opposed to the government taking yet one more area of my life where I should be free to choose! I DON’T WANT ANYONE MAKING THOSE DECISIONS FOR ME NO MATTER HOW INSIGNIFICANT THOSE DECISIONS MAY BE!!!

    The thing is that universal health care should require as close to universal buy in as possible, and this is a MINORITY run bill. The MAJORITY does not want this bill. That dooms it from the start.

    Just a question then: If health care is not run like a business, what is it? A charity? And if it’s a charity, am I forced to contribute? And if I’m forced to contribute, where has my personal freedom gone?

    Honestly, if they’d just include an Opt Out clause in the bottom. I’d opt out today and forever, no complaints. That goes for social security, medicaid/medicare, and every other government-run welfare system currently in place.

    I’m going to have to take a walk… I get so worked up about the whole stupid thing….

  8. nosurfgirl says:

    It’s tough. I get worked up over it, too.

    No, I wouldn’t call it a charity.

    I think I’d think of health care like any civic service… its’ why we pay our taxes–there are some things that our government needs money for that we really can’t do on an individual basis. For instance, we pay taxes so that the government can take care of and design our roads, we pay taxes so that the gov’t can take care of our schools (something I”m not sure I agree with… but lots of people against government-run health don’t have a problem with government-run edcuation and I find that ironic), we take care of our gov’t organizations like garbage pickup and mail service and police service. To me, Health Care should fall in with that becuase, like any civic service, it keeps our society healthy.

    Now, I agree that this bill is silly. IN so many ways. And also that health care probably would not be most efficiently run on a federal level… it would most definitely need the lion’s share of power to belong to state and city govt’s who can best evaluate their own needs and provide for their own needy.

  9. daveloveless says:

    I just wrote my long piece on why I’m opposed, and I’m afraid I’m spent.

    NSG–I agree with you that I find it equally ironic that government run education is fine but not government run health care. Of course, both you and I are much more in favor of educating our own children, so….

    By the way, calling it a civic service is one of the only things anyone has yet said regarding this bill that actually makes sense. I still disagree with providing it in that way (I’ve lived in socialist countries before, and let’s just say no thanks), but at least it makes sense when you call it that.

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